What's the REAL story on ifs for the C-1?
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Just back from a nice 120 mile cruise round trip for a car show by Lost Creek Lake. it's a great little 250 car show, and having the lake there is a real plus on a hot summer day like today (yes we jumped in). Our 62 is really nice to drive just about any distances, with it's TPI 350 and 6 speed trans, but I keep wondering if installing an aftermarket IFS setup would be worthwhile also. it handles pretty nice now, and it seems like I've heard that some aren't thrilled with the conversion they have. so what's the real scoop? should I or shouldn't I?
My ideal would be a manual rack and pinion and an oem disk brake package. nothing real fancy, just a little more modern than what I have now ,which is all stock, perhaps…..
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My ideal would be a manual rack and pinion and an oem disk brake package. nothing real fancy, just a little more modern than what I have now ,which is all stock, perhaps…..
Thanks,
Russ
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Russ,
Sure you will receive answers all over the map on that question....
A good front disc brake conversion, and a good condition front steering system is all I need. I am very pleased with it's ride, handling, & braking. Note that I have stock type (grooved leaves) 5 leaf spring rear suspension with Traction Masters (no rear anti-sway bar or Radius Rods).
Oh, and my front has been lowered 3/4" using the 53/54 Chevy passenger car spindle supports.
The IFS R&P "should" be more precise, but most PS versions have too fast a ratio, and you may need to fine tune the PS pump (dumb it down). In other words, I agree that a manual rack would be a better way to go.
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Sure you will receive answers all over the map on that question....
A good front disc brake conversion, and a good condition front steering system is all I need. I am very pleased with it's ride, handling, & braking. Note that I have stock type (grooved leaves) 5 leaf spring rear suspension with Traction Masters (no rear anti-sway bar or Radius Rods).
Oh, and my front has been lowered 3/4" using the 53/54 Chevy passenger car spindle supports.
The IFS R&P "should" be more precise, but most PS versions have too fast a ratio, and you may need to fine tune the PS pump (dumb it down). In other words, I agree that a manual rack would be a better way to go.
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I just installed a Kugal IFE in my 57. I haven't driven it in LeMans yet but it goes nice and straight and the rack feels nice. I haven’t played with the adj. shocks yet
One important feature that I like is that big spear that starts at the steering box and is aimed at your heart in an accident was replaced with a collapsible steering column. The column only increased the total cost by about $30 over using a straight shaft. Well worth it even if it only makes it easier to fit and install.
One important feature that I like is that big spear that starts at the steering box and is aimed at your heart in an accident was replaced with a collapsible steering column. The column only increased the total cost by about $30 over using a straight shaft. Well worth it even if it only makes it easier to fit and install.
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I did the JMR change eight years ago and have never regretted it. I have had to replace one QA1 adjustable shock due to leaking. It was very easy to change. I do have a manual rack with 70-81 Camaro spindles and disc, manual ms with apportion valve open all the way with no lockup and dead straight on panic stop. Flaming River replacement column with built in flasher.
Proper alignment is time consuming and pricy.
Proper alignment is time consuming and pricy.
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Russ,
Sure you will receive answers all over the map on that question....
A good front disc brake conversion, and a good condition front steering system is all I need. I am very pleased with it's ride, handling, & braking. Note that I have stock type (grooved leaves) 5 leaf spring rear suspension with Traction Masters (no rear anti-sway bar or Radius Rods).
Oh, and my front has been lowered 3/4" using the 53/54 Chevy passenger car spindle supports.
The IFS R&P "should" be more precise, but most PS versions have too fast a ratio, and you may need to fine tune the PS pump (dumb it down). In other words, I agree that a manual rack would be a better way to go.
Plasticman
Sure you will receive answers all over the map on that question....
A good front disc brake conversion, and a good condition front steering system is all I need. I am very pleased with it's ride, handling, & braking. Note that I have stock type (grooved leaves) 5 leaf spring rear suspension with Traction Masters (no rear anti-sway bar or Radius Rods).
Oh, and my front has been lowered 3/4" using the 53/54 Chevy passenger car spindle supports.
The IFS R&P "should" be more precise, but most PS versions have too fast a ratio, and you may need to fine tune the PS pump (dumb it down). In other words, I agree that a manual rack would be a better way to go.
Plasticman
What I think I want would include manual R&P and some type of oem disk brake package that would fit under my 15" original style American mags. what disk package did you use on your own car? and what are the disks from?
Russ
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I recently spot-read the 26 or so pages of the install you and Bill did on his car. then I did a brief Google search on what kits are available out there since you guys did Bills. I'm not seeing much to rave about at this point however. I'm too old and feeble, and working in too small of a shop, to even conceder a total frame swap, as nice as that would be, so that leaves me with either the stock system that I have or rebuild someones existing system to meet my own needs/desires.
What I think I want would include manual R&P and some type of oem disk brake package that would fit under my 15" original style American mags. what disk package did you use on your own car? and what are the disks from?
Russ
What I think I want would include manual R&P and some type of oem disk brake package that would fit under my 15" original style American mags. what disk package did you use on your own car? and what are the disks from?
Russ
A lot to sift through (26 pages)!
My 2000 AR TTD 15" wheels fit nicely with the discs. Disc brake kit was from JMT Engineering (supposedly they supplied Ecklers at the time -2005). Last time I looked, I did not find them listed in the Yellow pages, but they operated out of a Auto shop under the same name (JMT) in New Port Richey Florida;
6732 Us Highway 19
New Port Richey
(727) 849-7458
The disc brake kit was the typical type of the time, using 73 Monte Carlo rotors & calipers (single piston) with Ford bearings (Set 12 & 13). Kit included the mounting brackets, bearing spacers, nut/bolts, bearings, rotors & calipers, hoses, etc. Similar kits are available from ECI, as well as the Corvette suppliers (at a markup). Think ECI is probably the best route, if JMT can't help you. You can purchase the special items (brackets, spacers, etc. through them), then purchase the common items locally (rotors & calipers, hoses, bearings, etc.).
Here is the ECI link (for the Chevy / Corvette page):
http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/early...nversions.html
Since that time, Bill (having the TCI supplied front disc brakes, with the later metric GM single piston calipers) has "upgraded" to a set with a larger bore. He was not "pleased" with the smaller bore calipers braking capability, and tried different pad materials, but to no avail. He has since reported the larger bore calipers "work". Note also that he has the mid 80 Caddy rear disc brakes. IMHO, I like my brakes "better"......including the stock 62 rear drums.
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Look who I saw at the car show.
I put a Chassis Engineering front end under my '51 Chevy. It is a manual rack. If you want to try one of your wheels to see if it fits with the disc brakes let me know. It doesn't list for Corvette but it should fit.
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Since that time, Bill (having the TCI supplied front disc brakes, with the later metric GM single piston calipers) has "upgraded" to a set with a larger bore. He was not "pleased" with the smaller bore calipers braking capability, and tried different pad materials, but to no avail. He has since reported the larger bore calipers "work". Note also that he has the mid 80 Caddy rear disc brakes. IMHO, I like my brakes "better"......including the stock 62 rear drums.
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Isn't it great to have a show that 99% of the (250+) cars drive to. and what a nice drive at that. congrats on the trophyS also (you old trophy *****
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Have you moved your 51 down here yet? I may need to take a look at the brake setup. thanks.
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Correct. Neither Bill, nor I have power assisted brakes. And I see no need (and I weigh 130...).
His TCI Steering is power assisted.
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That is a really nice show and we couldn't believe they don't charge for it. It is great that so many drive in but it is understandable seeing as how it is such a nice drive. On the way back Dan and I went through Rogue River instead of the hitting the freeway.
The '51 is here but the shop is a total mess. You're welcome to check it out.
The '51 is here but the shop is a total mess. You're welcome to check it out.