C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Small block Hybrid LS engine.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-01-2009, 09:44 PM
  #1  
Jigowatt
Intermediate
Thread Starter
 
Jigowatt's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2009
Location: Moreno Valley CA
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Small block Hybrid LS engine.

Has anyone had any experience or seen anyone use this motor for a C3 or anything else. http://www.theengineshop.com/product...ron-block.html
Old 09-01-2009, 10:22 PM
  #2  
72LS1Vette
Safety Car
 
72LS1Vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2001
Location: North Easton Mass
Posts: 4,883
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

I have not heard of anyone using this block before, but for the $ they are asking you can probably find a complete used LS engine with accessories, harness and ECU. Byt the time you built a complete engine with that block you could probably buy a LS crate engine for less $, and have the advantage of an aluminum block.



Rick B.
Old 09-01-2009, 10:41 PM
  #3  
MotorHead
Race Director
 
MotorHead's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2000
Location: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Posts: 17,574
Received 157 Likes on 127 Posts

Default

Iron block is much stronger / durable than OEM aluminum LS block, especially with the splayed billet caps, depends on how much HP you want to make.
Old 09-01-2009, 11:01 PM
  #4  
PuddleJumper
Pro
 
PuddleJumper's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2008
Location: Hayward Wi
Posts: 645
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

its realy a peace oh crap lol 443 is the bigest u can get out of it.
Old 09-01-2009, 11:07 PM
  #5  
PuddleJumper
Pro
 
PuddleJumper's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2008
Location: Hayward Wi
Posts: 645
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

im going to add this that your better of going BB or GEN I, III, IV iron block over this. because it looks to be a lot of parts that requre an lot of $$.

its ment 4 peeps who have all the Gen I/II stuff and want ls heads
Old 09-01-2009, 11:13 PM
  #6  
Jigowatt
Intermediate
Thread Starter
 
Jigowatt's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2009
Location: Moreno Valley CA
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Its only going to be making 500h-600p.. I dont want much more then that. To be honest, its more about doing something different. Its a fun way to do 427 naturally aspirated, and the design is a bit off the wall. Here is an article on it. Higher than that, traction seems to be not enough.

http://www.superchevy.com/technical/...ine/index.html

Last edited by Jigowatt; 09-01-2009 at 11:26 PM.
Old 09-01-2009, 11:31 PM
  #7  
72LS1Vette
Safety Car
 
72LS1Vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2001
Location: North Easton Mass
Posts: 4,883
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by MotorHead
Iron block is much stronger / durable than OEM aluminum LS block, especially with the splayed billet caps, depends on how much HP you want to make.
I haven't heard about a lot of reliability problems with the LS blocks. The main caps on the LS engines are 6-bolt and the LS engines seem to have done pretty well in the C5 and C6 racing programs.



Rick B.
Old 09-03-2009, 11:07 PM
  #8  
sc68z28
Cruising
 
sc68z28's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Riverside Ca
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jigowatt

On page 3 of that article, "Quote.... the engine produced an eye-opening 629 hp/579-lb-ft result. That's about 70 hp more than one of World's regular Motown small-block 427 engines and about 15 horses more than their typical Warhawk LS combos."

WOW!!! 630 HP

---Bill.
Old 09-04-2009, 09:08 AM
  #9  
billla
Le Mans Master
Support Corvetteforum!
 
billla's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 6,227
Received 60 Likes on 42 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14

Default

It's a dollars and sense thing - balance the cost of that block vs. the cost of all the pieces requried to make an LS fit into a C3, sans headers. IMHO, it's at best a wash at this point - a few years back finding mounts and making stuff fit was expen$ive, but it's getting easier and cheaper all the time. IMHO, for $3K it's not a great deal with ready availability of swap kits and prices on LS junk engines (especially iron ones) and aftermarket crates. Scoggin Dickey will sell you a crate shortblock 427 for around 5K!

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the power capabilities of the LS aluminum block. Plenty of C5 guys are getting mondo power out of them...some near 1000 FWHP. There's a guy locally that put down about 700HP at the rear wheels at a dyno day I put together with an engine built by 'tjwong' on the board. Tom can answer your questions in detail about what can be done with the LS...but 500-600 FWHP is pretty much "off the shelf" with an LS these days. Recall that a stock LS6 makes 405+ at the flywheel

Take a look at the main bearing web in an LS - strength is not an issue here.



I understand there are issues with pin oiling if you get up into really big numbers, which is typically addressed by "squirters" that direct oil at the pin as well as a few other tricks. Forced induction to crazed levels can also be an issue with the pressed-in sleeves. But a GOOD shop isn't going to have any problem with this stuff.

Last edited by billla; 09-04-2009 at 06:38 PM.
Old 09-04-2009, 05:07 PM
  #10  
MotorHead
Race Director
 
MotorHead's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2000
Location: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Posts: 17,574
Received 157 Likes on 127 Posts

Default

My buddy took me to a corner of his shop and showed me a bunch of blowed up aluminum LS blocks when I was thinking about going that route, so I went a different direction and used an iron block.

Told me straight out guys put too much power thru them and they won't handle it. I don't make this stuff up just report it.
Old 09-04-2009, 05:39 PM
  #11  
Attfay Elleybay
Burning Brakes
 
Attfay Elleybay's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2006
Location: Sebastian Florida
Posts: 1,108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

When I read Hybrid I was thinking 30+ MPG.
Old 09-04-2009, 06:33 PM
  #12  
billla
Le Mans Master
Support Corvetteforum!
 
billla's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 6,227
Received 60 Likes on 42 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14

Default

Originally Posted by Attfay Elleybay
When I read Hybrid I was thinking 30+ MPG.
I think for a 'Vette you'd need a battery about 50' square
Old 09-04-2009, 08:25 PM
  #13  
Eddie 70
Race Director
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Eddie 70's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 1999
Location: Lenoir City Tennessee
Posts: 19,658
Received 29 Likes on 19 Posts
Ci 6, 8 & 10 Veteran
St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15


Default

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/te...ild/index.html

Should be a nice little LS motor.

But you better have some deep pockets.
Old 09-04-2009, 09:22 PM
  #14  
billla
Le Mans Master
Support Corvetteforum!
 
billla's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 6,227
Received 60 Likes on 42 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14

Default

The LSx tall-deck will let you get to 500 CID without all the plate stuff.

...but you still need to bring money
Old 09-05-2009, 11:53 PM
  #15  
vetteaddic
Burning Brakes
 
vetteaddic's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2004
Location: Kansas
Posts: 899
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

I almost bought one of these motors, you need a sb2 style camshaft or ls ,then you need the adapters plates etc. for the top end .throw some ls7 heads 680hp .

What Ive read about the LS engines were the oil pump failures.
and thats when your making 600hp +.

Get notified of new replies

To Small block Hybrid LS engine.




Quick Reply: Small block Hybrid LS engine.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:30 AM.