[Z06] 2011 Z06 Carbon Road Test
12-08-2010, 09:53 AM
#21
Melting Slicks
Now there's a comment that makes sense...I was having a hard time understanding how when equally equipped (including blower) a Z06 would end up heavier than a ZR1. Of course if I'd given reasonable consideration to where the weight figures came from I'd have ended up being less confused 
Cheers, Paul.
Cheers, Paul.
12-08-2010, 09:58 AM
#22
Le Mans Master
I am suprised less people have weighed their vehicles. I always took my stuff to the LA DOT scales and had them weight it on a day/at a time they weren't busy. They never declined to, and it gives you F/R weights if you ask them to let you pull half onto each scale. They are very accurate (obviously, as fines are based on this device) and when I was 185#, that was the exact difference in the weight of the vehicle with me in/out of it.
12-08-2010, 10:14 AM
#23
Team Owner
I am suprised less people have weighed their vehicles. I always took my stuff to the LA DOT scales and had them weight it on a day/at a time they weren't busy. They never declined to, and it gives you F/R weights if you ask them to let you pull half onto each scale. They are very accurate (obviously, as fines are based on this device) and when I was 185#, that was the exact difference in the weight of the vehicle with me in/out of it.
I take my Z06 out on the backroads on Sunday mornings. I frequently take it up to about 4500 rpm in first or second gear - hold it there for a second then hammer the gas. When my vision returns to normal I'm not looking to see how much the car weighs
12-08-2010, 10:23 AM
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Equally hysterical and well stated.
12-08-2010, 10:28 AM
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12-08-2010, 10:53 AM
#26
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I'm comparing list prices to list prices. It gets a little complicated to try to figure out how it adds up with the deals that can be had on all of the combination's of all three cars. But the point stands that the difference in price between comparable Z06 and ZR1's is very substantial. In current 2011 list prices, your ZR1 would list for about $123K and a Z06/Z07 with all the good stuff is about $95k, give or take a little.
12-08-2010, 10:59 AM
#27
Drifting
Great idea except, if I wasn't interested in one car that was slower than the ZR1, why would I want two 
Knowing how easy it is to get the LS9 up 112hp (eg, $7,500 at Katech), means the LS7 has to imporve by 245 to catch up...the only way that is gunna happen is with FI, which is gunna make the Z06 heavier than the ZR1, go figure.
I guess I should have just said I'm not impressed with the weight of this new Z06.
Cheers, Paul.
Knowing how easy it is to get the LS9 up 112hp (eg, $7,500 at Katech), means the LS7 has to imporve by 245 to catch up...the only way that is gunna happen is with FI, which is gunna make the Z06 heavier than the ZR1, go figure.
I guess I should have just said I'm not impressed with the weight of this new Z06.
Cheers, Paul.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...iends-zr1.html
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12-08-2010, 11:03 AM
#28
Melting Slicks
I weigh myself twice a day, first thing in the morning, and then again whenever I finish training, which I do every day (tells me how much I need to rehydrate). What you see in the mirror can change ever so slightly every day and you'll never even notice...want to know the truth, ask someone who's brutally honest and hasn't seen you in a while, you might not like what they say 
If it were as easy to weigh my car I'd do it more regularly.
If I take my car to 4500, hold it there and then stand on it, even in 3rd gear it often blows the tires away, for sure in 1st and 2nd it will. When I put a passenger in the car it will virtually always hook in 3rd and sometimes even in 2nd. Coincidently the amount of weight I've knocked off my car amounts to about the same as a passenger.
Cheers, Paul.
If it were as easy to weigh my car I'd do it more regularly.
If I take my car to 4500, hold it there and then stand on it, even in 3rd gear it often blows the tires away, for sure in 1st and 2nd it will. When I put a passenger in the car it will virtually always hook in 3rd and sometimes even in 2nd. Coincidently the amount of weight I've knocked off my car amounts to about the same as a passenger.
Cheers, Paul.
12-08-2010, 11:10 AM
#29
Melting Slicks
Cheers, Paul.
12-08-2010, 11:58 AM
#31
Safety Car
Point is, we all have reasons for our preferences and GM offers us some nice choices.
12-08-2010, 12:33 PM
#32
Team Owner
I doubt it gets anything much for 2012. So far all that is sure is there is 1 new color, and no colors were deleted.
The C5/Z for 2004 got a carbon-fiber hood and some stickers.
The 1996 'vette got the LT4, I think. However, it had been around for a while before then. There isn't anything that GM is going to stuff in the C6/Z I don't think.
We might get MRC as an option for the Z06 like we do for the GS and base C6, that would be cool, but not earth-shattering.
The exhaust has already been updated for 2011, as was the transmission.
Might get a new interior color/color combo options or something.
I really think the Z06 has reached the pinnacle of what can be done with it with OEM reliability at this point. Not many more options can find their way into the car for "economical" (judging by the fact that GM has just been taking their ZR1 and puttings its nice-parts on the Z06, and the Z06 to the GS, etc. it seems that "economical" is the name of the game with the C6 platform).
No, I just don't really see anything special coming. Maybe a Recaro seat option if GM really wants to step up to the plate, but thats about the biggest thing I think they could/would do.
The C5/Z for 2004 got a carbon-fiber hood and some stickers.
The 1996 'vette got the LT4, I think. However, it had been around for a while before then. There isn't anything that GM is going to stuff in the C6/Z I don't think.
We might get MRC as an option for the Z06 like we do for the GS and base C6, that would be cool, but not earth-shattering.
The exhaust has already been updated for 2011, as was the transmission.
Might get a new interior color/color combo options or something.
I really think the Z06 has reached the pinnacle of what can be done with it with OEM reliability at this point. Not many more options can find their way into the car for "economical" (judging by the fact that GM has just been taking their ZR1 and puttings its nice-parts on the Z06, and the Z06 to the GS, etc. it seems that "economical" is the name of the game with the C6 platform).
No, I just don't really see anything special coming. Maybe a Recaro seat option if GM really wants to step up to the plate, but thats about the biggest thing I think they could/would do.
"F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control for ultimate driver control and
comfort through the use of driver-selected Tour or Sport modes
1 - Included and only available with (Z07) Z06 Ultimate
Performance Package."
It's not available as a stand alone option but it is an option.
12-08-2010, 12:59 PM
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Weights
My '08 3LZ Z06 weighed in at 3172 lbs with 4 gallons of fuel and no "owner junk" in the car. The scales had been recently calibrated. My '10 3ZR ZR1 weighs somewhere between 3325 and 3333 lbs for a real world difference between those two cars of approximately 161 lbs (worse case).
The '11 3LZ Z06 with Z07 options would weigh more than my '08 3LZ for the following reasons:
1. Larger ZR1 wheels and tires
2. MRC shock system is heavier than standard tube shocks
3. Larger oil capacity versus my '08.
The carbon fiber bits certainly offset some but not all of this weight. For example, the carbon fiber roof cover and bow is 6.6 lbs lighter than stock. The carbon fiber hood feels about 14-15 lbs lighter than the hood on my wife's standard coupe. The carbon ceramic brakes also reduce weight a bit, but not that much, because as you know, they and their calipers are huge.
So logically, the '11 3LZ Z06 with Z07 options (similar to the one tested in the Road & Track article) weighs somewhat more than my '08 3LZ Z06. I am guessing that the '11 3LZ Z06 with Z07 weighs about 3225 lbs, which is about 118 lbs more than my ZR1. It is certainly more than 20 lbs lighter than my ZR1 but also nowhere close to 200 lbs lighter. This would track closely with the only article I have that references the total weight of the blower system as approximately 100 lbs.
Weight distribution for the Z06: 50 - 50, for the ZR1 52 - 48.
At 10:30 tonight, the Speed channel is supposed to have a show featuring various C6 models, including testing them on a track. We may get some more information there.
Cheers...
The '11 3LZ Z06 with Z07 options would weigh more than my '08 3LZ for the following reasons:
1. Larger ZR1 wheels and tires
2. MRC shock system is heavier than standard tube shocks
3. Larger oil capacity versus my '08.
The carbon fiber bits certainly offset some but not all of this weight. For example, the carbon fiber roof cover and bow is 6.6 lbs lighter than stock. The carbon fiber hood feels about 14-15 lbs lighter than the hood on my wife's standard coupe. The carbon ceramic brakes also reduce weight a bit, but not that much, because as you know, they and their calipers are huge.
So logically, the '11 3LZ Z06 with Z07 options (similar to the one tested in the Road & Track article) weighs somewhat more than my '08 3LZ Z06. I am guessing that the '11 3LZ Z06 with Z07 weighs about 3225 lbs, which is about 118 lbs more than my ZR1. It is certainly more than 20 lbs lighter than my ZR1 but also nowhere close to 200 lbs lighter. This would track closely with the only article I have that references the total weight of the blower system as approximately 100 lbs.
Weight distribution for the Z06: 50 - 50, for the ZR1 52 - 48.
At 10:30 tonight, the Speed channel is supposed to have a show featuring various C6 models, including testing them on a track. We may get some more information there.
Cheers...
12-08-2010, 04:34 PM
#34
Team Owner
I weigh myself twice a day, first thing in the morning, and then again whenever I finish training, which I do every day (tells me how much I need to rehydrate). What you see in the mirror can change ever so slightly every day and you'll never even notice...want to know the truth, ask someone who's brutally honest and hasn't seen you in a while, you might not like what they say
If it were as easy to weigh my car I'd do it more regularly.
If I take my car to 4500, hold it there and then stand on it, even in 3rd gear it often blows the tires away, for sure in 1st and 2nd it will. When I put a passenger in the car it will virtually always hook in 3rd and sometimes even in 2nd. Coincidently the amount of weight I've knocked off my car amounts to about the same as a passenger.
Cheers, Paul.
If it were as easy to weigh my car I'd do it more regularly.
If I take my car to 4500, hold it there and then stand on it, even in 3rd gear it often blows the tires away, for sure in 1st and 2nd it will. When I put a passenger in the car it will virtually always hook in 3rd and sometimes even in 2nd. Coincidently the amount of weight I've knocked off my car amounts to about the same as a passenger.
Cheers, Paul.
12-08-2010, 05:02 PM
#35
Le Mans Master
F55 is an option on the Z06. From the 2011 order sheet.....
"F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control for ultimate driver control and
comfort through the use of driver-selected Tour or Sport modes
1 - Included and only available with (Z07) Z06 Ultimate
Performance Package."
It's not available as a stand alone option but it is an option.
"F55 Magnetic Selective Ride Control for ultimate driver control and
comfort through the use of driver-selected Tour or Sport modes
1 - Included and only available with (Z07) Z06 Ultimate
Performance Package."
It's not available as a stand alone option but it is an option.
12-08-2010, 05:03 PM
#36
Le Mans Master
As to the clothing, mirror helps you? I go by feel.
12-08-2010, 05:27 PM
#38
Le Mans Master
Lots of folks including R&T comparing this car to the ZR1 especially because of how expensive it is after all the options.
With that in mind, purley from a track perspective, I wonder how a base 1lZ...but with coil-overs, T1 sways, and the same Michelin tires would do minus the carbon brakes.
Theoretically, you could buy a base, upgrade the suspension, OEM Mich tires, but aftermarket brakes and probably be on par or ahead of the carbon in terms of lap times.
But you would definately have a harsher riding car, but it would probably save $20k
With that in mind, purley from a track perspective, I wonder how a base 1lZ...but with coil-overs, T1 sways, and the same Michelin tires would do minus the carbon brakes.
Theoretically, you could buy a base, upgrade the suspension, OEM Mich tires, but aftermarket brakes and probably be on par or ahead of the carbon in terms of lap times.
But you would definately have a harsher riding car, but it would probably save $20k
12-08-2010, 07:31 PM
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Lots of folks including R&T comparing this car to the ZR1 especially because of how expensive it is after all the options.
With that in mind, purley from a track perspective, I wonder how a base 1lZ...but with coil-overs, T1 sways, and the same Michelin tires would do minus the carbon brakes.
Theoretically, you could buy a base, upgrade the suspension, OEM Mich tires, but aftermarket brakes and probably be on par or ahead of the carbon in terms of lap times.
But you would definately have a harsher riding car, but it would probably save $20k
With that in mind, purley from a track perspective, I wonder how a base 1lZ...but with coil-overs, T1 sways, and the same Michelin tires would do minus the carbon brakes.
Theoretically, you could buy a base, upgrade the suspension, OEM Mich tires, but aftermarket brakes and probably be on par or ahead of the carbon in terms of lap times.
But you would definately have a harsher riding car, but it would probably save $20k
12-08-2010, 08:38 PM
#40
Le Mans Master
What I want is a base z06 with the supercharged 638hp engine. - leave off the carbon fiber bits, the busy looking wheels and the see through hood. - Prefrably a 1lz version. this could be called the ZR6.